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Re: [latam] tasking - CHINA/ARGENTINA/ECON - China concerned about Argentina's protectionist trend: official

Released on 2012-03-05 09:00 GMT

Email-ID 1144263
Date 2010-04-22 16:27:18
paulo sergio gregoire wrote:

There is a lot of good and cheap land available in the states of Piaui,
Tocantins, Mato Grosso do Sul and Mato Grosso. These states have
attracted many farmers from southern Brazil in the last years. The
governor of Mato Grosso is the one of the biggest soybeans producers in
the world and he is also from the south. It is a growing business in
Argentina has had trade disputes with everyone, including Brazil. Last
year, they wanted to impose a quota on electronics coming from Brazil
because they want to develop their own industry in southern Argentina.
This current Argentine administration hasn't paid much attention to the
agricultural business, which has caused a lot of discontentment in the
agricultural sector.

Karen Hooper wrote:

Does Brazil have the excess capacity to completely replace Argentina's
exports to China? This would be pretty devastating to the argentine
agricultural sector (which, i might add is at extreme odds with the
government, and their policies are not at all in lockstep). On the
other hand, China is a HUGE market, and there are only a handful of
places in the world that produce soybeans. If Brazil radically ramped
up production, are there other markets that would absorb Argentine
soy? Seems plausible, every time i turn around they're making
something new out of soy....

On 4/22/10 9:47 AM, Reva Bhalla wrote:

depends on what the Chinese do. If they significantly cut Argentine
soy imports, where is Argentina going to find that big of a
replacement market?
On Apr 22, 2010, at 8:45 AM, Peter Zeihan wrote:

so there've been brewing trade frictions for some time then

not exactly a shocker i guess -- arg has been seeing its trade
position wither everywhere, with only brazil maintaining and only
china expanding their interactions, makes sense that china would
therefore be the point of most friction

see any breakpoints coming?

Reva Bhalla wrote:

here is the timeline:
last year, when the global econ crisis was hitting hard,
Argentina passed two anti-dumping measures against China to try
and mitigate their widening trade deficit with China.
Then, on April 1, China said Argentina oil contains unacceptably
high traces of solvents. Argentina said that's BS. Then less
than a couple weeks later, China transferred the right to issue
permits for soy imports to the Ministry of Commerce. By giving
this authority to central authorities, the Chinese govt is able
to place tighter restrictions on these imports.
Argentina supplied China with 77% of their soy last year.
Brazil and the US would be pretty eager to make up the
difference, though China seems to also be using this to boost
its domestic soy industry. China hasn't stopped importing soy
from Argentina amid this trade dispute, but reports indicate
that the imports have slowed.
On Apr 22, 2010, at 8:05 AM, Peter Zeihan wrote:

think i'm getting lost

so china complained that arg soy is contaminated, so arg
responded to the complaint by launching a couple anti-dumping
investigations which china feels are protectionist?

Reva Bhalla wrote:

and Brazil stands to gain from this. They've already said
that they'll replace the Argentine soy to China with their
On Apr 22, 2010, at 7:50 AM, Matt Gertken wrote:

It's about the soy issue. The Chinese have threatened
countermeasures on Argentine soybeans saying the hexane
levels are too high (they officially raised the issue in
late March). They are responding to Argentina's initiation
of two anti-dumping investigations against Chinese

Not sure about your point on protectionism -- the Chinese
have been using this term, and accusing everyone of doing
it, since at least the Sept G20 meeting if not before.
This is their mantra right now -- everyone is
protectionist except China.

Peter Zeihan wrote:

no idea -- let's find out

Jennifer Richmond wrote:

Does this have anything to do with the ongoing soy
issue? I think it is stemming from this and is a
one-off issue and not indicative of a growing trend.

Peter Zeihan wrote:

let's find out what -- its not so much that Arg is a
canary in the coal mine for anything, but there's
three things that come to mine

1) china in the past has offered credit outside of
intl norms to Arg -- has that happened? is it in
2) Arg has massively de-industrialized in recent
years -- this suggests that there may be a
(successful?) effort to reverse that trend -- if
there is we need to understand it
3) China is playing with fire whenever it uses the
word 'protectionist' -- i doubt they used it lightly

bottom line: could be several interesting things
going on here

Chris Farnham wrote:

China concerned about Argentina's protectionist
trend: official
2010-04-22 [IMG]Feedback[IMG]Print[IMG]RSS[IMG][IMG]

BUENOS AIRES, April 21 (Xinhua) -- China is
concerned about Argentina's growing tendency to
impose protectionist measures on Chinese products,
which has already hurt bilateral ties, a Chinese
trade official said.

Visiting Chinese Vice Commerce Minister Jiang
Yaoping made the comments in an interview with
Xinhua Tuesday here in Buenos Aires before leaving
the South American nation after a 48-hour visit.


Chris Farnham
Watch Officer/Beijing Correspondent , STRATFOR
China Mobile: (86) 1581 1579142

Jennifer Richmond
China Director, Stratfor
US Mobile: (512) 422-9335
China Mobile: (86) 15801890731

Karen Hooper
Director of Operations