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Re: DISCUSSION - Spanish protesters

Released on 2012-03-23 07:00 GMT

Email-ID 177695
Date 2011-11-11 17:01:07
We are strictly talking about the idea of contagion, not the nature of the
disease. It's like how in the First World, a really bad cough spreads
around an office full of cubicle, and in Africa, people are spreading
around HIV or Ebola or some other bad shit. There is still a contagion
effect occuring, whether you're talking #firstworldproblems or

Just trying to shoot down the incorrect notion that a "national" protest
in Spain does not have the ability to inspire French, Italian, Greek,
Belgian (ha!), Austrian, Portuguese, Irish, British, whoever else to do
the same. Even if they are more civilized and inherently democratic by
nature of their upbringing in a decadent society in which people speak
multiple languages and only wave their respective flags during the World
Cup, they still look around at what is happening in neighboring countries
and get inspired.

On 11/11/11 9:51 AM, Antonio Caracciolo wrote:

I see your point, but what i dont agree with is when we imply that
protests that happened in Tunisia can be compared to possible future
ones in Europe. the word protests is very different when you compare
north africa and european nations. A protest during the Arab spring,
implied death injured and so on. A protest in europe (i.e Italy and
Spain) is just a march that isnt a big deal. Rome marches were the same,
nothing happened despite the fact that the Media made a big deal out of
literally burnt cars by punks.

On 11/11/11 9:48 AM, Bayless Parsley wrote:

You're changing the argument. Your assertion that things can't spread
from country to country because they are based on national issues is
flawed. You have similar economic conditions in almost every European
country at the moment. The issues aren't the same as what existed in
the Arab world last winter, and nor are the nature of the regimes in
power. No one is saying that. What we're saying is that Tunisia
provides an example of how protest movements have the ability to
spread to other countries that feature similar socioeconomic

On 11/11/11 9:38 AM, Antonio Caracciolo wrote:

Protests in Egypt that spread all over the place were based on the
ability of people to say what they want and be able to get a decent
rule of law and government. In Europe we have that, unfortunately we
have a shitty economy, the protests are there but are unrelated
because each country has its own way to approach the economic
issues. We wont kill each other like people in north Africa, were
past that, and again no offense to people from the region. Europeans
live for the most part in democracies, expressing a discontent
(which is what is happening now) is different from fighting for your
freedom (i.e Egypt, Tunisia, Libya)

On 11/11/11 9:34 AM, Bayless Parsley wrote:

Without wading into the particulars of this discussion, I will
just say that your logic re: national protests not being able to
spread to other countries is flawed. How were the gripes of
Egyptians last January related to the national uprising in
Tunisia? And so on.

On 11/11/11 9:19 AM, Antonio Caracciolo wrote:

I personally don't agree with this statement "these protests
could lead to an open societal crisis in Spain and spark to
other countries". What we have in Europe is NATIONAL protests.
These protests focus on the NATIONAL parliament and cannot
therefore spread in Europe. You might have them in several
countries but i dont think they spread because they are
unrelated (despite the same economic shitty background) Plus,
protests of this kind are usually peaceful, there is a decent
level of understanding within the crowds that protests that
killing each other isn't going to make a difference. Now we
might have like always the 20 idiots that ruin it for everyone
(think of the Rome revolts) but i dont foresee any dead or
injured people. Protests dont automatically imply "bad" events
to come

On 11/11/11 8:02 AM, Christoph Helbling wrote:

these protests could lead to an open societal crisis in Spain
and spark to other countries. Are these protests going to
breed the future leaders of Europe?

Antonio Caracciolo
Analyst Development Program
221 W. 6th Street, Suite 400
Austin,TX 78701

Antonio Caracciolo
Analyst Development Program
221 W. 6th Street, Suite 400
Austin,TX 78701

Antonio Caracciolo
Analyst Development Program
221 W. 6th Street, Suite 400
Austin,TX 78701