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Re: DISCUSSION - Spanish protesters

Released on 2012-03-23 07:00 GMT

Email-ID 183896
Date 2011-11-11 17:08:40
The "indignant citizens movement" is intended to be transnational - It star=
ted in Spain with the local elections in May. But the youth protesters in G=
reece seized on the idea this summer. They've popped up in other places too=
- Italy, the UK, France and even Germany. The protesters are all locals pr=
otesting national issues but the concept of there being some sense of solid=
arity amongst the unemployed youth of Europe is already there.

On Nov 11, 2011, at 10:01 AM, Bayless Parsley wrote:

> We are strictly talking about the idea of contagion, not the nature of th=
e disease. It's like how in the First World, a really bad cough spreads aro=
und an office full of cubicle, and in Africa, people are spreading around H=
IV or Ebola or some other bad shit. There is still a contagion effect occur=
ing, whether you're talking #firstworldproblems or #arabspring.
> Just trying to shoot down the incorrect notion that a "national" protest =
in Spain does not have the ability to inspire French, Italian, Greek, Belgi=
an (ha!), Austrian, Portuguese, Irish, British, whoever else to do the same=
. Even if they are more civilized and inherently democratic by nature of th=
eir upbringing in a decadent society in which people speak multiple languag=
es and only wave their respective flags during the World Cup, they still lo=
ok around at what is happening in neighboring countries and get inspired.
> On 11/11/11 9:51 AM, Antonio Caracciolo wrote:
>> I see your point, but what i dont agree with is when we imply that prote=
sts that happened in Tunisia can be compared to possible future ones in Eur=
ope. the word protests is very different when you compare north africa and =
european nations. A protest during the Arab spring, implied death injured a=
nd so on. A protest in europe (i.e Italy and Spain) is just a march that is=
nt a big deal. Rome marches were the same, nothing happened despite the fac=
t that the Media made a big deal out of literally burnt cars by punks.
>> On 11/11/11 9:48 AM, Bayless Parsley wrote:
>>> You're changing the argument. Your assertion that things can't spread f=
rom country to country because they are based on national issues is flawed.=
You have similar economic conditions in almost every European country at t=
he moment. The issues aren't the same as what existed in the Arab world las=
t winter, and nor are the nature of the regimes in power. No one is saying =
that. What we're saying is that Tunisia provides an example of how protest =
movements have the ability to spread to other countries that feature simila=
r socioeconomic conditions.
>>> On 11/11/11 9:38 AM, Antonio Caracciolo wrote:
>>>> Protests in Egypt that spread all over the place were based on the abi=
lity of people to say what they want and be able to get a decent rule of la=
w and government. In Europe we have that, unfortunately we have a shitty ec=
onomy, the protests are there but are unrelated because each country has it=
s own way to approach the economic issues. We wont kill each other like peo=
ple in north Africa, were past that, and again no offense to people from th=
e region. Europeans live for the most part in democracies, expressing a dis=
content (which is what is happening now) is different from fighting for you=
r freedom (i.e Egypt, Tunisia, Libya)
>>>> On 11/11/11 9:34 AM, Bayless Parsley wrote:
>>>>> Without wading into the particulars of this discussion, I will just s=
ay that your logic re: national protests not being able to spread to other =
countries is flawed. How were the gripes of Egyptians last January related =
to the national uprising in Tunisia? And so on.
>>>>> On 11/11/11 9:19 AM, Antonio Caracciolo wrote:
>>>>>> I personally don't agree with this statement "these protests could l=
ead to an open societal crisis in Spain and spark to other countries". What=
we have in Europe is NATIONAL protests. These protests focus on the NATION=
AL parliament and cannot therefore spread in Europe. You might have them in=
several countries but i dont think they spread because they are unrelated =
(despite the same economic shitty background) Plus, protests of this kind a=
re usually peaceful, there is a decent level of understanding within the cr=
owds that protests that killing each other isn't going to make a difference=
. Now we might have like always the 20 idiots that ruin it for everyone (th=
ink of the Rome revolts) but i dont foresee any dead or injured people. Pro=
tests dont automatically imply "bad" events to come
>>>>>> On 11/11/11 8:02 AM, Christoph Helbling wrote:
>>>>>>> these protests could lead to an open societal crisis in Spain and s=
park to other countries. Are these protests going to breed the future leade=
rs of Europe?
>>>>>> --=20
>>>>>> Antonio Caracciolo
>>>>>> Analyst Development Program
>>>>>> 221 W. 6th Street, Suite 400
>>>>>> Austin,TX 78701
>>>> --=20
>>>> Antonio Caracciolo
>>>> Analyst Development Program
>>>> 221 W. 6th Street, Suite 400
>>>> Austin,TX 78701
>> --=20
>> Antonio Caracciolo
>> Analyst Development Program
>> 221 W. 6th Street, Suite 400
>> Austin,TX 78701