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Re: Discussion - Turkey/MIL - The Turkish Navy

Released on 2012-03-09 18:00 GMT

Email-ID 982788
Date 2009-07-02 20:01:33
Overview on proficiencies/repuations:
Details and sources attached
* Turkish Naval Training parallels US training with prep schools,
academies, specialized centers
* Turkish Navy lacks training, but has other modern training facilities
* Submarine Training Center is professional and has several specialized
courses, trains foreign navies, but no mention of hands-on training
* Turkish Navy gains experience from exercises with NATO, US, Israel,
and Russia (some are annual and have continued for up to 8 years)
* The U.S. Navy transferred command of the Combined Maritime Forces'
(CMF) counterpiracy task force to the Turkish Navy May 3, suggesting
the Turkish Navy has some training and experience necessary to lead.
* Both Russian and US Navy representatives have made positive comments
about Turkish Navy after exercises:
* A United States naval officer experienced in joint operations
with the Turkish navy wrote that all crews were "trained to a
level far exceeding the capabilities of their platforms."
* "The Turkish navy is very strong and has deep traditions. We've
sharpened our inter-operational ability with them." said ship
commander Sergey Okhrenchuk.

Peter Zeihan wrote:

black see has a lot of $$$ on it -- remember that it is the terminus for
the Danube, so it is a major trade hub for Europe from Bavaria on down
through the balkans

which isn't to say that the greeks play there much

what i'm saying is that greece's competes in the north central med and
that's it, and its range of competition is roughly matched by the
resources they have available

turkey is in three seas -- black, agean and eastern med -- but its got a
relatively small land area to draw strength from AND it faces different
competitors in each realm....its a resources to needs mismatch and
explains why the ottomans were never known as particularly competent

cyprus is a mess -- it'll never have a big navy, but its a helluva
aircraft carrier

Nate Hughes wrote:

well, they're also the only country with concerns in both bodies of
water. I mean, so long as it doesn't become home to a major Russian
fleet, what does Greece care about the Black Sea? Do they trade there
a lot? Seems like the Black Sea has a ways to go before it really
becomes a commercial hot spot like the Baltic has the potential to

Agree, since Turkey also has significant requirements for a ground
combat capability and air force that the navy requirement may be
onorous. Can try to pull numbers on that as well.

How strategic vs. petty is Cyprus?

Peter Zeihan wrote:

seems to me that the ratio of coastline and competitors to the
resources that they have to throw at their navy is absolutely

the only reason they can hope to compete navally is because the
straits allow them to shuffle fleets back and forth while denying
that benefit to competitors

Nate Hughes wrote:

First way I want to look at this piece is geographic. Turkey is a
peninsula with a limited river system and a mountainous interior.
Communication and commerce by sea is not as natural as it is for
the Greeks, but certainly an important part of a modern economy.

It is literally at the crossroads of two continents and two bodies
of water. The Bosporus and Dardanelles can be controlled fairly
well from land so long as Turkey has firm control of both banks.

Nevertheless, there are Greek islands up and down the Turkish west
coast that are essentially in artillery range of Turkish
population centers. And if Turkey wants to not only control the
Bosporus and Dardanelles but actually control access for Istanbul
to the Mediterranean and beyond, it has to be able to tango with
the Greeks in the Aegean.

There's also the Cyprus issue.

In addition, it has to ensure that it is the dominant power in the
Black Sea. So you've got a navy that has to be spread pretty
broadly, but can be massed pretty quickly too as long as Turkish
control of the critical sealanes and straits remains strong.

>From the late '90s up until this latest deal with Germany for six
new subs (not unexpected or surprising in and of itself), Turkey
has been broadly expanding its fleet -- from submarines to
frigates to patrol boats. In terms of raw equipment, it is well
ahead of Russia or anybody else on the Black Sea and Greece, too
-- though Greece is much closer matched than even the Russians.

Kendra is looking more into their proficiencies and reputation as
sailors. Will also be pulling together some insight questions.

But initial thoughts?
Nathan Hughes
Military Analyst
512.744.4300 ext. 4102

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